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The Quantum Mind Glitch That Changes Everything About Death

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#0 What happens when a neuroscientist, a visionary entrepreneur, and a philosophical tech investor sit down to ask the one question no one can answer: Can AI save the soul In this groundbreaking interview, Sam Sammanejoins Nour Abochama, a , alongside Tai Lopez, The investor known for turning philosophical ideas into billion-dollar bets. Together, they explore: The science of consciousness and whether the soul is code or something more. The ethics and possibilities of mind uploading and synthetic resurrection. What Silicon Valley is really trying to build: eternal life or total control Can we separate spirit from biologyor will we lose ourselves in the process Whether you're a skeptic, a believer, or a builder, this conversation will challenge everything you thought you knew about life, death, and what comes after. Watch now if you've ever asked: Could I live forever Is my mind more than neurons What does AI mean for the soul Comment your thoughts, tag a friend who thinks about the future, and subscribe for part 2where we explore AI and the digital afterlife in even deeper detail. #AI #Soul #DigitalImmortality #MindUploading #TechPhilosophy #SamSammane #TaiLopez #NourAbochama

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Anybody who has a new ideas always laughed at. First they laugh at you then they get mad at you eventually they love you. Tell me do you think spirituality and believe in after life For sure when people gain fame when you make more money you think less about what happens after death because you don't want to die when things are going well. So yeah I mean a lot of people lose touch when they start to make money and become famous. Look at universities now. people are they follow the zeit you know what zeitgeist means it's a German word the spirit of the times so whatever the spirit of the times are every academic is also pressured to not lose their job you saw this recently with a lot of woke stuff about gender sex a lot of professors some I know they're afraid to speak out cuz like I'm going to lose my job the cool thing about a robot I mean is part of me hates that thought but part of me is like man humans make a lot of mistakes you know humans get tired [Music] here in my garage. So let me ask you a very basic question. Okay. For you. Yes. In this AI era. Yeah. What is the soul What is the soul Say the first thing is whenever we use human words, we always fall short because when a Christian hears the word soul versus a Hindu, we people mean different things. But I think the soul is the part of us that science can't figure out yet. So there's a part to humans like there's something called quantum consciousness that one of the Nobel Prize winners uh Ro Roger Penrose talks about which is like you're asleep life's not going well for you nothing's winning and you wake up with like an instant idea an invention a solution and throughout history there's people who had these ideas that solved disease that sol that invented like Tesla, the original guy Tesla. So where do those come from Those probably come out of the soul. Now scientists don't call the soul, they call it like the quantum, the part that's so small, we can't measure it yet. I love that you mentioned Roger Penrose because it's the major of our let's call it discussions. Yes. Uh so it will simplify uh the next question. Yeah. Why you think someone like Roger Pendro and others who shares with him this idea of quantum mind that somehow it's the soul yes are shut down and cast it. Yeah. At first anybody who has a new ideas always laughed at. First they laugh at you then they get mad at you. Eventually they love you. So at first they laughed at Roger Penrose even though he had a Nobel Prize. Now then people start to get mad and slowly people are going wow because we lived through the last h 100red years was the rise of atheism from the late 1800s to the late 1900s. My grandma grew up in that generation and basically it was a reversal from the centuries before where humans were very religious and superstitious and then science started to grow in the late 1800s. And so people went from believing in God too believing in superstition too much and they went all the way to the other extreme to atheism and now the world's come back to center. Like a lot of scientists are starting to discover that the things that religion talked about that there's some truth to it. For example, you know, in the Bible or different spiritual books talks about there's some god that's outside of time. like time has nothing no effect on God because they created time and if you look at modern science that's kind of this understanding that time isn't real Albert Einstein 100 years ago wrote a book general theory of relativity which basically said time is relative every single point in space in the whole universe experiences a different sense of time and so it's only been in the last 50 years or hundred years that scientists have really started to go Well, you know, prayer prayer seems like it shouldn't work because I'm standing here. If I pray for somebody who's in Europe, how can I affect them But then science is starting to find quantum entanglement. So two particles that are 100 light years apart, one can affect the other instantly. Faster connected, right So yeah, that's so to me the reason Penrose was laughed at is because he lived through the rise of extreme atheism which is probably going away now. I have identified 12 others okay who support somehow or have different view but practically the same idea of entrepreneurs. Half of them they have Nobel Prize. Yeah. And my question is there a conspiracy because you mentioned something looks like your opinion it's a natural process that people against new idea right but here I'm not counting one two right I reached 12 and every time they are brilliant they are smart they are celebrated until they talk about the soul or god and then suddenly they are stupid shut down eliminated is there a conspiracy yeah probably it's called academia academia has a lot of group think. You know, my grandfather was an academic. He he was a he taught at Yale and he was a well-known scientist in his field. First marine biology and then astrophysics. He published in nature in 1974. And he at one point had a theory that was counter to most people's theory. though there was a theory in the that in ocean fisheries where they're fishing that this certain fish had disappeared. And my grandfather was working for the United Nations and he said, "No, the fish didn't disappear. They just are now swimming deeper." Mhm. And he he was basically black ballalled at United Nations uh food bank. I think it work for the World Food Bank or something. This was before I was born. But you know, and my grandpa of course was kind of a mad scientist, so he didn't care that much. But if you go group think or the mass hysteria of the crowds not only affects supposedly dumb people, average people, but it also affects high IQ academics. Look at universities now. People are they follow the zeit, you know what zeitgeist means It's a German word, the spirit of the times. So whatever the spirit of the times are, every academic is also pressured to not lose their job. You saw this recently with a lot of woke stuff about gender, sex. A lot of professors, some I know they're afraid to speak out cuz like I'm going to lose my job. You need to confirm to what everyone accepts otherwise you're going to be cast away. Exactly. So goes down to money. People don't want to lose their job. That's true. Comes down to So it's kind of a money conspiracy. If you go against the mainstream academic thought, you might lose your paycheck. Let me ask you a question related to the fame. Yeah. The money. Yeah. This is to word that you know so well. Yeah. So tell me do you think spirituality and belief in after life Yeah. Exist in that area or all it become money, fame today will die. Yeah. I I mean for sure when people gain fame, when you make more money, you think less about what happens after death because you don't want to die when things are going well. So yeah, I mean a lot of people lose touch when they start to make money and become famous. But usually eventually something painful happens and they come back around cuz pain is visited upon the poor and the rich. And so people who are rich lose a child, they go bankrupt, they lose their own health. And um like Tony Robbins says, you know, when you succeed, you party, but when you fail, you ponder. So since everybody fails at something, rich or poor, famous or unknown, everybody starts at one point or another thinking about God or almost everything. So you don't think about God when you're at the top. When everything's going well, people don't think about they don't question anything. In general, you don't think about it. It's it's when things go bad. Interesting. That means we look for the soul when we are in trouble. That's right. The old saying when we're in good. Yes. There's the old saying, there's no atheists in a foxhole in battle. The trench there, everybody's praying to something. But is that a proof that somehow God exists Because deep we reach deep inside oursel once we are in trouble. There's there's an inst I think there's an instinct within all of us to realize we're small. There's something bigger than us. Yeah. People look up. I mean ancient people used to look up I read a book that the average person in 500 years ago who lived in Hawaii or Tahiti they could name 1,200 stars. That's how they navigated before GPS. Um, Captain Cook, you know, there's a famous uh European who explored the South Pacific and all this and he said these natives can just navigate from island to island. They would look up. So, people used to be very connected to things bigger than themselves. You'd see the stars, you'd see them move, you know, and now because we have science, sometimes we lose our sense of awe. It's still pretty crazy that we're seeing light from stars that are, you know, billion miles away. So, yeah, modern world probably makes us think less about God. Yourself, what do you think happens after we die After we die, it's a good question. Um, I'm not sure to be honest. I part of me likes part of me likes what the India I part of me I mean reincarnation is kind of true. I have a farm. When a cow dies we put the body in compost pile then that body breaks down the nitrogen, the phosphates, the calcium in the bones. We take that compost and we plant a fruit tree and we get apples. So like the cow turns into apples. So it does reincarnate. And so I think on a physical level there's kind of a reincarnation or physicists say that matter is neither d or energy is neither you know created or destroyed. This law of conservation. So in that sense our energy isn't destroyed it's reformed. And if you look at religion most religions say something like that. You go into a new body. I I had I had a friend who died for 2 minutes. He he and he was a strong Christian guy and um I asked him just a couple he was he's actually a head coach of one of the big university golf teams. He's pretty well-known guy. I don't know if I'll say his name on here, but I went to high school with him and I was like, "Hey, what happened when you he told me, man, I died that the doctor said I flatlined." I said, "What did you see" He's like, "Nothing. It was just pitch black." But then you read the stories of other people. There was a guy here on my podcast about a month ago and he's like, "Man, I died in the full white light. God, I saw it all and it changed my life." So, I am not sure. That's my answer. I wish I knew. We wish. All right. Yeah. Let let me go to business a little bit because we discussed uh yeah enough about Roger Penrose and the stuff uh if a new influencer starting a life today. Yeah. Things are different. Yes. Practically it's too crowded, right How you will advise him to navigate this crowded jungle So new entrepreneurs. Yes. New or someone new. But let's say influencer that means uh he has no product yet right uh the beginning but also it's nice to tell the one a little bit above who reached an idea. Yeah. Both what what's the advice It's a different world. Like like 10 years ago it was different. Yeah. I mean here's the good news and the bad news. The bad news is that every day 900,000 more people get the internet. 10% of them want to start a business online. And so you have like 90,000 new competitors a day. When I started my podcast originally in 2012, there was like 10,000 podcasts. Now there's 5 million estimated podcasts, right So the bad news is there's competitors saturated. But the good news, honestly, the demand's bigger. So I think the demand still has kept up with the I don't think the supply has kept up with the demand. Just know this and this is the simplest thing I can tell anybody. You get paid in proportion to the difficulty of problems that you solve. So if you learn to solve hard problems, you'll always make money because most people are lazy. So the main problem I see with new entrepreneurs is they're like, "Ty, what's super easy" And I'm like, "Whatever's too easy will become saturated and stop working." So I tell I was on the phone with a guy yesterday. I said, "Man, you got the wrong mindset. your mindset is always ty what's the next easy thing I'm like that's going to work for three months six months somebody else is going to figure it out a 100 competitors it won't work anymore so I told him why don't you stop taking shortcuts and if you really want to be wealthy why don't you get good at something that's hard that can be paid ads that can be viral marketing going viral on social media that can be raising capital can be hard not many people going to figure that learn how to buy and sell companies. Very few people are going to learn. That's hard. So, I just tell people, identify the hard skills, go after one of them that interests you the most, and it'll be a pain for a year or two, but eventually you'll be alone making money. Nobody will touch you. Find a hard thing. Yes. What's what do you think the most hard thing we can find these days as an entrepreneur As an entrepreneur, I mean, I put business into like 14 divisions and 12 of them are operations. The 12th and the hardest is M&A, buying and selling companies. The 11th level 11 of business is raising capital. So, I think raising capital and then buying and selling businesses, the least amount of people do it. It takes the most skill, the most knowledge, and but that's why I call it the way of the billionaire. Elon Musk out of the three big businesses he's built, PayPal, SpaceX, and Tesla, two of them he bought from somebody else, didn't start. Um Mark Zuckerberg out of the three big businesses he built or owns, Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp. Two of them he bought and one of them he built from scratch. So, I think if you can learn how to raise capital and buy businesses, nobody will ever compete with you. You'll be fine. Your success is just based on you. You It'll never be saturated. It's too People are intimidated by it. People are intimidated. I the the jobs that will get the most saturated, for example, or whatever is the lowest skill, learn how to make coffee and serve coffee at Starbucks. If you go to a job and it says training program 5 days, you we'll take you from knowing nothing to being good at it in 5 days. I could predict your bank account low because they're going to pay you. And by the way, soon robots will do all that. I don't know if you saw in Beverly Hills when you pulled up here, there's Ubers being replaced. That was Yeah. There's just Jaguars driving around and nobody in it. And you know a crazy thing For every hundred accidents Uber drivers have that hurt people, the robots only have 20. They're already way better than humans. So any eat driving the Uber is pretty easy. It's it's a hard job because you have to stay awake, you know, but but it's not a job that a robot can't replace you. So a simple rule is ask yourself how soon will a robot be able to replace me If the answer is in the next 1 to two years, do something else. Then do something that takes a lot of innovation and the human empathy. Yes, that's what you need. Yeah. Empathy. Yeah. Working with people is harder cuz humans are complicated. So yes, I like marketing because marketing is very advanced because it's like working with humans at scale. Well, you got to know how to read people. And so really good marketers and really good salespeople, it's harder for AI to replace that now eventually. I don't think they're going to be able because in marketing, you need innovation. You need to have imagination. You need to understand how to capture people's interest. Right. Right. Yeah. At least you at least got 10 years. You're safe. I saw that Google, their CEO, just announced Willow, which is a new supercomputer. It just solved the problem in 5 minutes that took their old supercomputers uh septillion years, more time than the universe has been around. So, with this new quantum computers coming, I don't even know what's going to happen. But we're still You probably got 10 years. I wish that is true, but especially Google. Yeah. Uh I test usually their stuff. Yeah. And I'm sorry, they are dumb. They announced things that are not true. Their AI is very dumb compared to others, right And for them, they solved all the problems. Like I remember now they remove it because it was a lot of embarrassment. Yeah. Bart the first AI, it was a catastrophe. when they announce it. Oh my god, that's the best thing. They're good at marketing. Exactly. Listen, they own the word search engine is Google. Even if it's a We can't own They own the second largest search engine, too. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. That's why I tell people, take it with a grain of salt, but it's slowly coming. Like I said, it 10 years ago, there was no robot car. I actually got a test drive in one of the first auto um autonomous cars. This is like 2016. It wasn't Tesla. I don't think it was a Tesla. It was somebody said to me, "Hey, Ty, we want you to what" Vegas. In Vegas. I think you were there. And I It was a Tesla. And I went in the car and we were on the freeway and there was a driver there to be safe and it started getting off on an exit that didn't exist. I was like, "What are we doing" He's like, "I think it's trying to get off." And I'm like, there's no exit. It's like a wall. It was just like So, so in 2016 it wasn't here, but now they've dialed that in. So, I think going back to the consciousness thing, human brain is a quantum computer. Yes. So, the human bra things that are the human brain that take innovation, you got to be able to compete with computers. Things like making coffee and handing it to people, there's going to be all robots. There's going to be a robot that looks like a person and everybody works at Starbucks going to be laid off or at least 80% of people because the cool thing about a robot I mean is part of me hates that thought but part of me is like man humans make a lot of mistakes you know humans get tired and robot would never mess up your order but yeah I understand it's also bad people go well now we won't have jobs but no that That's that will push a human to be more human. Exactly. Like you need to go back to your essence like human are able to innovate and to make new new products to create new Yes. technology that robots will never be able to do. So maybe it's not that I agree with you. People are like we'll lose our Starbucks jobs. I'm like you don't even like your job. We're going to lose the more robotic works that nobody wants to do. Human work. Yeah. Driving in an Uber is not good for your body. You You have to sit there in a car and deal with crazy people. Robots seem good to me. But I agree with you. Then humans have freedom to do the things that they enjoy. Exactly. Humans are happier when they're learning, challenging themselves. You know, robot will never be able to create a nice piece of art. Even if it creates a lot of pictures right now, but they're boring pictures, but it's not an art. It's not creating art. It's it can create a product but it will never be an innovative product a new product that will do something in you because like AI it's going to look for you it it will create things from your database for something that exists. Yeah. So it will reach out to our database it will never be able to create a new idea that does not exist. Yeah. Talking about AI, a topic that I love a lot and uh I will ask you how you think in your own business like uh your own empire yes will be impacted by AI. So I'm already working on for example I've got a company that I have an incubator where I incubate new companies and then I take the winners and I put them into an accelerator. I call it incubate accelerate celebrate make money. So, I had an idea earlier this year. I tested it in my incubator. Now, it's in the accelerator stage and it's profitable. Spins off money every month. Well, one of my new incubators about 6 months ago I started working is called 5minut.ai. It basically there's science that says if you call your customers when they fill out a form on your website in less than 5 minutes, you'll get them. Yeah. It's a hundred times more likely they buy from you. Now the average business owner if somebody goes to their website and fills out a form at 2 in the morning average business owner is asleep and all their salespeople. So my fiveminutai is we're coding an AI human will call you. We might even say it. I haven't decided. The law is not totally decided but it might call you and say hey this is Tai Lopez's assistant AI man and I saw you filled out his form. You're wanting to come to his next mastermind. Can you are you in Dubai Is that what it said And it just confirms it all. And then it says, "By the way, can I have Tai and his team call you back at at 8:00 tonight I'll set it on a calendar. What's your email" The guy says, "Oh, bob@gmail.com." Okay, Bob. I'm going to send you an email and a text. Ty and his team will be on the call at 8. So this 5minute.ai can call 10,000 businesses per second. So if you get a thousand leads in a day, it never gets tired. It doesn't have to be paid. It always says the right thing if you trade it like cuz sometimes sales people say crazy stuff you don't want them to say, right Trying to get the deal. So that's something practically an AI smart dialer to set appointments with leads. And that's just the beginning of 5minut.AI. I have another AI company which is an AI CEO and what it does is I like to read. So it'll plug into my Slack where my my team communicates. It'll plug into my accounting software. It'll plug into my bank accounts. And every day when I wake up as the CEO, I have a two-page print out. Here's everything going good in your business. Compliment these people. Give them bonus. Here's who's not doing good. And so it's a business intelligence report on my company right now. For me to get business intelligence, I have to ask this person what' you do and what you do. I'd rather a robot just tell me that's unbiased and it's on and it's not going to try to conceal anything or exaggerate anything. So you're going to be using the AI as more of assistant or helper just to Yes. grab data that's already there, make sense of it. AI is for you. It could be also against you. The same way. True. So this is not something scary. The same way you will have 5 minutes you call it form or someone will call you immediately. Anyone can do the same. Yes. So are we going to an invasion of AI marketing Probably. Oh yeah. Then the government will pass regulations and change what can be done. But by then I'll be I try to stay ahead of the curve. I try to stay one year ahead. So by the time there's too many AI dialers, I'll have something else. I'll have a quantum dialer. It'll place consciousness into their mind. You want to buy Tai's product. I don't think we can be reaching that one day. I'm going to ask Roger Penrose, how can I implant, you know, there's a concept in in a lot of this kind of futuristic world called implanted memories. So, one of the questions that ethical physicists say is, "How do we know anything's real" Because all you have is your memories. So, I look back and I'm like, "Oh, I was born in Los Angeles and I remember my grandma, but how do I know my grandma's real How do I know somebody just didn't implant her memory" And so, there's people, some physicists believe we're in a big video game of a higher intelligent species that's 1 million years older than us. Imagine how much more advanced technologically we would be in a million years. And so they are a million years ahead and they have a fun video game. I heard one physicist or or theoretical physicist say we might be a testing pilot for future generations. So like let's see what happens if we elect somebody like Donald Trump president in our universe. So let's test it on this alternate universe. And we're just it is hard to know. There's no way you could prove we're real. Seems like I'm real. But you know what's weird When I'm in a dream, it also seems like the dream is real. And so they call this, some people think the world we live in now is called a hyper clear dream. You know how like when you're watching something and the screen's fuzzy That's like our dreams at night. But the future species has these hyperlarity dreams that seem so real. We would die for our reality. People are out here dying for their country when your country might not even be real. Might be a we might be a very interesting video game for some future species. So you like the simulation theory I like there's many versions of it. I think the theory that I like the most that seems to have a lot of legs to it is called the block uh the block time theory. So that time's not real. Time is is a block. It's like a film strip when you're making a movie. The whole film strip's there, but then they call it flat. They call it the spotlight theory, which is our brains are so dumb. We would explode if we tried to look at the whole film strip. So we can only experience consciousness like a flashlight one by one on each of the film strips. So for me I experience it feels like I was one years old and then I was 2 years old and I was three when the reality is all of time is one big block. And that by the way explains religion where they say God is outside of space and time. God's not restricted. No god. If there is a block theory of time, just a big block of time all at once, then God like in the Bible, right You're Syrian. So, are you Christian Aren't Syrians Christian They have a lot of India has all kind of religion. But there's kind of like majority are Muslim. Muslims. Yeah. But there's what's the all religion started somehow in that region. Yeah. It's all there, you know, updated. Egyptian different what is the I'm trying to remember the name of the of the Christian groups that's there are a lot is like copar Egyptian Egyptian Aramaic maybe Aramaic yeah so if you take that they say that that that god is the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end so if that's true that's like the block time theory gods outside of space and time because there's not even one and so yeah the simul ation. They're all kind of a version of that. I think the memory implanted one is pretty crazy and I I'll tell you why it's practical. There's people who go to war now and they have PTSD and scientists are using things like psychedelics. Mhm. And the idea is the psychedelics Yeah. the part of your brain that stores fear memories is called your amygdala. So in your amygdala, if they could wipe out some of those memories, sure you would lose out on the past, but you'd also lose out on extreme trauma. So we're already messing with memories also transa. Yeah, but I agree. Maybe, you know, some people say that trauma is experienced at the whole cellular level, not just the brain. But certainly the brain's a part of it. By the way, transhumanism, which some people, I think Elon Musk likes, which is the thought that we can live forever by just changing bodies. So, you download all your memories into a chip. You let your old body disappear and then you download it into a young body again. Wouldn't maybe that be moving to the next step That's what happens when we die. Exactly. That's like reincarnation. Or maybe the quantum mind is the eternal one and this one is what you called uh the trans uh the transhumanism transhuman version of life for sure. I there's many there's a lady that I listen to sometimes on YouTube. She's very far out there. Okay. Roger Penrose probably wouldn't listen to her. Her name's Dolores Cannon. Okay. And she is the most confident person in her theories. She talks for hours about how she was a therapist and for thousands of people and she discovered that people have past lives and they're experiencing past lives and she has a theory that basically we're here to learn and earth is the hardest place in the universe and so this is where you go to learn the most and it's the hardest and um if you don't learn it in this lifetime you have to go through it again and that's a little bit like the India thing. So I don't know there I mean there's so much out there that could be true. One thing on the quantum conversation what scientists have found in my 67 steps which is kind of like my mindset course. I don't know if you've ever been in that but I have a new version of the 67 steps. And one of them is I call it quantum conclusions. So at the classical large world we pretty much know if I drop this that gravity is going to pull it down. At the quantum teeny level, we don't know what's going to happen. Things happen that aren't supposed to happen, right And you can all there's no absolutes. There's only probabilities. So, what I think when people ask me questions about let's say this question about what happens after death, oh, is there a soul I think I can't be 100% sure, but I would rank things by probabilities. So, I'd say probably this. I'd bet more money on this theory like block theory of time. I would bet more money on that than I would bet on reincarnation. I think reincarnation is more likely to be a theory because we're not that high IQ that time keeps going on and on. But in the reality of physics, time's not really real. It's it's that was Einstein's whole thing. He said like if you're in a train and somebody's watching you from a road and the train's going 60 m hour and you're walking in the train 5 m an hour to the person on the ground you're going 65 m an hour. The train's going 60 and you're walking on it. So if I measure you, you're going 65. But when you're on the train, you're only going 5 miles an hour. And then to make it all more complicated, if a photon of light is going above the train, it never accelerates or de accelerates. That's the whole thing people don't understand about light. Light doesn't accelerate. It's never slower or faster. It just starts out. And so he was trying to say there's three people experiencing different levels of time. The the photon of light doesn't speed up or slow down. It's just always going 186,000 mph. The guy in the train experiences himself going 5 miles an hour and the dude outside. So that theory I think is probably 80% likely to be true. I have a question but it will take time to to ask. So bear with me. But it's somehow I'm grouping everything you said there today. So we said to make crazy money to go to the next level you need to stick to the difficult things. Right. Correct. to go to really the things or the skills that nobody can replicate in what you said 5 minutes. Yes. And now let's link that to what you just said about um uh science and um immortality and upgrading or uploading our life into uh another life. Right Yes. You talked about startup. If today and this is the question now if today there is a startup who will come approach you and tell you and does not exist. I'm not trying to to say it exists. Yeah. If there is a startup comes and tells you hey we figured a way to connect our world to the quantum soul word. Okay. And we are working on a device that will let you somehow upload your consciousness or connect your quantum consciousness to this device. Yes. And then assure a continuity in this life after that. Okay. And the question will you raise money invest in that or you will consider that madness No, I'd be interested. I madness doesn't scare me. I sometimes I used to say to one of my business partners, I have a crazy idea I'm about to tell you. And he would say, I used to be scared of those, but those are usually your best ideas. So, mad idea. No, I would. That is a tricky one. I mean, I think Elon Musk is kind of working on that with Neurolink. So, if there's a competitor to Neurolink, yes, you know, I answer this. I sometimes think, what's the best company I could ever come up with forget making money. What's the most important company for humanity I used to say the most important is genetic engineering. So, for example, babies that are born and they're going to have high likelihood of depression while they're in the mother's womb, could or even before conception, could you alter the gene code so that the baby doesn't experience crippling depression their whole life Okay. Then there's another part of me that thinks the most important company in the world would be this one that we just said, which is connecting humans, uploading their brain, then you're independent of your body, uploading it, and then being able to put it into younger bodies. The problem is, tell you what the problem is. It's not sure like you brought it up. Maybe all of our experience is in our cells too. So you can't just upload the brain. You when you downloaded it, you'd find yourself a totally different being. You wouldn't be. Roger Perros and um Hamroof, they said it's the microtubules. Micro microtubules. They are they have high concentration in brain cells. Yes. But they are in every cell. Yes. So that means the soul is connected somehow to every cell but high concentration in the brain. Yes. Now I don't know what's the soul yet. Okay. But it's something related to our quantum mind. And I wish that company exist. I will go back to I wish we want a science of the soul because these things apparently exist. Yes. But I don't know why our science community is shutting down all temptation to to make it official study. And maybe we need the next startup startup talking about AI and how things are easier now maybe to tackle this. Yes. Impossible. Remember, science doesn't innovate. Science usually comes out of necessity. So, for example, antibiotics, you know, nobody came up with antibiotics and nobody innovated. Over time, we built on top, but it was really World War I. So many people dying that forced the scientific community to think about these things. So, I wouldn't wait for scientists by nature conservative. They're not going to come up with the most cutting edge things. You need that's why NASA which is only scientists hasn't been able to send a reusable rocket to space and Elon Musk an entrepreneur is a risktaker and innovative. Yeah. Crazy idea. Yeah. So scientists aren't risktakers. So don't wait for I love the mistake. You are telling me suddenly that science that used to be against uh it's called a stagnation of ideas is now the reason why we are stagnating in our ideas. Yeah. Because and also the main problem with science now is science takes money. Okay. I'll give you a perfect example. Scientists have no money to go out and study if massage therapy reduces the risk you get cancer because who's paying for that The average massage therapist makes 50 grand a year. They don't have any money. There's no centralized massage therapy union. Um, so what do we study to prevent cancer Chemicals. Because pharmaceutical companies will give millions because if you back their study they make billions. So the one of the biggest problems in science now is the way it takes so much money to do good science that they're te they're working on stuff that's not even that important. It's becoming uh companies corporates actually. Yeah. Well, what's the good news now is there's entrepreneur scientists that are coming out that are saying, "Okay, if we can prove that massage cures cancer, then we can make our AI there's a new AI robot that massages you in the valley of Los Angeles. I watched a review. It's like the best massage ever. It's like these two arms you lay down. It's like it scans your body, finds where you have the most inflammation. Um, so sometimes I think you need capitalism to help science. It's controversial because people think capitalism destroys science, but I don't think that's true. No. Capitalism goes hand in hand in science. Science need innovation. It needs money. Yes. And now capitalism created the perfect soldiers. I call them the digital proletaria. That means AI and robot, right Yes. So no, science and capitalism are in are in bed together. Yes, you're going to need AI. The real question is, will you be able to have an election next time with AI around Cuz AI is going to make videos. You're going to have that politicians didn't say it. No, they're going to be Oh, sorry. What were we going to say Different kind of elections. Yeah, hopefully better. Anything's better than how we do elections now. I saw that. What country was it Somewhere like some country that's not wealthy. They counted all their Oh, India counted all their votes in one hour. America took three weeks to count Arizona's votes, you know. So maybe AI will get in there and give unbiased. I mean, Bitcoin and crypto is a little bit of an AI concept. There's Bitcoin there's no central person controlling it and so it's a decentralized and good AI will also be decentralized hopefully. That's the problem. You don't want all AI controlled by Google. This will be that's the issue, right Yes. Yes. Well, good. This was amazing.
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